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RE: fractional nanoseconds



Since our timestamping is going to the same as 1588’s, I suggest we follow the same format.  Using another format (like 0.1ns increments) has no benefit and just causes problems as the system would have to convert between the formats. 

 

Of course, we don’t need to use all 16-bits of the 1588 fractional nanoseconds field format.  If we only want 4-bits worth, we should use the most significant 4-bits of the 1588 fractional nanoseconds field (1/16 of a nanosecond increments).

 

Rich

 

From: stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 11:14 PM
To: AshwoodsmithPeter
Cc: marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx; STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: fractional nanoseconds

 

Pah.. we know less than 1ns would most likely be overkill for current known applications. The question I have / had is that whether we want to follow what 1588 did or do something else. That something else being either 1) no fractional nanoseconds at all or 2) e.g. what WLAN guys are after (0.1ns which is 4 bits more).

 

- Jouni

 

From: AshwoodsmithPeter [mailto:Peter.AshwoodSmith@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 4:12 PM
To: Jouni Korhonen
Cc: marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx; STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: fractional nanoseconds

 

LOL – yes I know ; )

 

My gut feeling is that as we get into 1/65535th of a nanosecond we are well beyond the realm of the possible so that may be way too many bits.

 

One nanosecond is about 25cm in fiber. So we are talking .0004 of a cm!!!!

 

Seems like over kill to me but I’m not a clocking expert.

 

I can see doing this kind of overkill on periodic PTP packets where the bits don’t cost bandwidth, but here where every bit counts I think we need to be more frugal.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

 

From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 10:54 PM
To: AshwoodsmithPeter
Cc: marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx; STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fractional nanoseconds

 

You would need to add 16 more bits to the timestamp. 

 

- Jouni

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"Peter.AshwoodSmith@xxxxxxxxxx" <Peter.AshwoodSmith@xxxxxxxxxx> kirjoitti 2.5.2015 kello 12.27:

where woukd the other 16 bits come from?


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To: marek.hajduczenia;

Subject: Re: fractional nanoseconds


time: 2015-05-02 15:14:23 Hi,

I was thinking the same as 1588 can do i.e. 1/65536 ns.

Jouni

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\> Marek Hajduczenia \ kirjoitti 2.5.2015 kello 9.32:
\>
\> Jouni,
\>
\> What would be the resolution of these fractional nanoseconds?
\>
\> Marek
\>
\> -----Original Message-----
\> From: stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
\> Jouni Korhonen
\> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:30 PM
\> To: STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
\> Subject: fractional nanoseconds
\>
\> Folks,
\>
\> We have already had some discussion on this topic earlier but.. what is your
\> opinion on having fractional nanosecond accuracy in the time stamping (e.g.
\> when sending a timestamp in the RoE header)? If we follow what 1588 did for
\> the correction field that would mean 16 additional bits, which may or may
\> not be significant overhead wise.
\>
\> Comments & opinions?
\>
\> - Jouni
\>
\> --
\> Jouni Korhonen, CTO Office, Networking, Broadcom Corporation
\> O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160
\>