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Re: use case



Hello,
As I know 1588 it is a packet-stream with a much lower packet-rate than a ROE stream. If 1588 is tunneled transparently through the network, it will be very sensitive to packet-jitter and must receive highest priority. In the case of a CBR ROE It should however be possible to deterministically insert 1588 packets in between the ROE packets which will be generated in a deterministic way. In the case of transparent clock processing of 1588 packets at intermediate nodes packet-jitter is tolerated and the packets will not need the same priority as ROE packets. This may be required in the case of VBR ROE streams?

I.e. I am not sure if I understand how e.g. 1588 should impact packet jitter and packet/frame size. Perhaps you can help me out with a concrete example?

Best regards

Steinar


26. feb. 2015 kl. 12:25 skrev Peter Turnbull <pturnbull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Hello All,
 
I wonder if it is safe to be agnostic on the synchronisation mechanisms and assume that it will be provided by A N Other. While reuse of existing tools (e.g. IEEE1588, SyncE) will be preferred to reinventing the wheel, which tools are used and how they are deployed may impact other decisions. For example calculations on Packet jitter vs packet/frame size should include the impact of 1588 (as a second high priority stream alongside the RoE user plane data).
 
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Peter
 
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From: stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: 25 February 2015 20:04
To: Lars Ellegaard; STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: use case
 
Hi,
 
Thanks for the input. See my initial comments inline.
 
From: Lars Ellegaard [mailto:le@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:38 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen; 
STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: use case
 
All,
 
The use cases that came out of last meeting show various example deployments and starts to nail down the RoE-functionality.
I find it equally important to explicitly state the assumptions made on the underlying Ethernet network.
No good to design an RoE-function that doesn’t have a network to support it (and vice versa).
 
Examples:
•             What are the networking tools supposed to be used (such as 1588, SyncE, “not” GNSS, 802.1Q or TSN?, etc.)
[Jouni Korhonen]
We’ll assume we got time, sync and a working clock distribution in place. We are not going to state which one. We can at most give a guidance which tools are desirable. The same goes for the rest as well. .1Q is a safe assumption but not all deployments have to rely on its presence.
 
•             What are the parametric requirements of the network (we can start out with qualitative statements)
[Jouni Korhonen]
Give an example what parametric requirements you are after.
 
•             The use case ppt shows one switch here and there – is that the limit? How flexible does the network have to be? What is the delay limit and how is/can this be budgeted?
[Jouni Korhonen]
We do not state a limit for the number of switches.. that will vary & evolve anyway. The delay budget depends on what has been allocated for the front-haul in general (e.g. in CPRI case ~100us one way). How you divide that between nodes on the path is not imho for us to define.  
 
•             Is this a peering or overlay arrangement ? I mean, do we foresee that RoE frames are somehow processed (e.g. monitored) on the path, or is the path completely transparent? The answer to this may impact the type/size of time stamp used.
[Jouni Korhonen]
Good question. I do not have an answer right now.
 
- Jouni
 
Thanks,
Lars
 
(Lars Ellegaard, Princ. Eng,
Vitesse Semiconductor)
 
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stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-3-tf@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: 17 February 2015 18:05
To: 
STDS-1904-3-TF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: call#1 minutes
 
Quick minutes and the slides I used attached. Note that I added one more slide to list all function combination without any network drawn into the picture.
 
 
Start:
                ~8AM PST - ~8:46AM PST
 
Present (sorry if I missed someone or mistyped the name):
                Pedro Batista
                Jouni Korhonen
                Bomin Li
                Peter Turnbull
                Philippe Sherier
                Steinar Bjoernstad
                Zakaria Tayq
                Kevin Bross
                Peter Ashwood-Smith
                Satory Matsushima
 
Discussion:
                The call concentrated on agreeing the baseline and assumptions for
                the CPRI mapper and RoE encapsulation/decapsulation functions
                and their placement in the system.        
 
                The attached powerpoint concludes the combinations for functions.
                It should be noted that the mapper also contains the RoE encap/decap
                function. However, the RoE encap/decap can be deployed as standalone
                function (assume that RE and/or REC are the "native" RoE compliant
                devices).
 
                The mapper & encap/decap functions can be part of the switch,
                RE, REC or be standalone frontends or "sidecards".
 
                We aim to define 1:1 translation between CPRI frame format and
                native RoE encapsulation.
 
                CPRI rates 1 to 7 are of interest (because the use 8B/10B line
                coding).
               
Next steps:
 
                * Look into the RoE header itself.
                * Agree on the basics for the AxC to RoE flow mapping e.g. only
                   one AxC per Ethernet packet etc.
                * Agree RoE encapsulated packet properties e.g. whether the
                   payload always has static size (after the flow/link has been
                   established) etc.
                * Study how CPRI rates affect RoE encapsulated packet sizes..
 
 
                Contributions are welcome.. I'll send out the next agenda next week.
 
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