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RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904 pre-review & discussion

All,

I tried to reflect comments received so far. See the attached rev1 of the draft PAR.

- Jouni



> -----Original Message-----
> From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jouni Korhonen
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:22 PM
> To: Marek Hajduczenia; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen Kramer;
> 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904 pre-review &
> discussion
> 
> I'll compose a new revision early tomorrow (it is getting late here..) based on the
> comments so far. We can have another round of beating on it then as well.
> Thanks for the input so far - and keep the comments coming.
> 
> - Jouni
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marek Hajduczenia [mailto:marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:02 PM
> > To: Jouni Korhonen; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen
> > Kramer; 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > Jouni,
> >
> > Perhaps I am trying to indeed engineer a solution within PAR.
> >
> > If everybody else is fine with this level of detail, so will I
> >
> > Marek
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:59 PM
> > To: Marek Hajduczenia; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen
> > Kramer; 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > Marek,
> >
> > Right. My assumption is that these details would go into PAR step 5.2.
> > How much more detail would be needed? Currently the scope says:
> >
> > 1) Standard specifies the encapsulation of digitized radio In-phase
> > Quadrature
> > (IQ) payload and related control data into an Ethernet packet
> > including the necessary encapsulation within the encapsulating Ethernet
> frame.
> >
> > 2) Both structure-aware and structure-agnostic encapsulation of
> > existing digitized radio transport formats are within the scope. The
> > structure-agnostic encapsulation is not restricted to CPRI.
> >
> > 3) The standard will specify a structure-aware mapper for Common
> > Public Radio Interface (CPRI) frames and payloads to/from Ethernet
> encapsulated packets.
> >
> > I am more than happy to clarify all above three steps. However, I
> > would be reluctant to go into detail that would allow a single
> > solution outcome at this point, since we do not know the details yet that
> everybody can agree on.
> >
> > - Jouni
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marek Hajduczenia [mailto:marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:34 PM
> > > To: Jouni Korhonen; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen
> > > Kramer; 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > pre-review & discussion
> > >
> > > Jouni,
> > >
> > > I believe you should clearly state what the intent is and what the
> > > scope of the project will be. I think you have pretty much an idea
> > > of what needs to be done and you can be very specific in the PAR.
> > >
> > > MArek
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:51 PM
> > > To: Marek Hajduczenia; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen
> > > Kramer; 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > pre-review & discussion
> > >
> > > Marek,
> > >
> > > For the below comment, which specific part(s) of the text you
> > > consider having convoluted/vague statements? We'll have to fix those
> > > to avoid confusion and misunderstanding.
> > >
> > > - Jouni
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of Marek Hajduczenia
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:38 PM
> > > > To: 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen Kramer;
> > > > 'STDS-1904- WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > I believe the draft PAR proposal should make it then clear what
> > > > the intent is, and avoid convoluted statements. Remember that
> > > > people reading and voting on it in larger IEEE might not have
> > > > sufficient background to understand all finer details of what you're trying
> to do.
> > > >
> > > > Being vague does not help getting projects approved.
> > > >
> > > > Marek
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of AshwoodsmithPeter
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:33 PM
> > > > To: AshwoodsmithPeter; Hesham ElBakoury; Glen Kramer; STDS-1904-
> > > > WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I should add that this proposal is not looking at making
> > > > changes to Ethernet to support CPRI, simply how the encapsulation would
> work.
> > > > The presentation to the IEEE 802.1 was to bring up the extremely
> > > > challenging transport requirements which are independent of the
> > > encapsulation.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of AshwoodsmithPeter
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 3:29 PM
> > > > To: Hesham ElBakoury; Glen Kramer; STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Hesham,
> > > >
> > > > We are happy to answer questions on the proposal. If people are
> > > > interested I made a presentation to the IEEE a few months ago to
> > > > discuss the possibility/requirements. The presentation is
> > > > available
> > here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2014/new-ashwood-tsn-cpr
> > > > i-
> > > > fronthau
> > > > l-0714-v03.pdf
> > > >
> > > > There is a link in there to the CPRI specification which has much
> > > > more low level detail and if you Google things like "C-RAN" and
> > "Fronthaul"
> > > > there is a lot more information out there.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of Hesham ElBakoury
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 3:21 PM
> > > > To: Glen Kramer; STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > I have attached a clarification on this project from my Colleague
> > > > Peter Ashwoodsmith.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Hesham
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hesham ElBakoury
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:42 AM
> > > > To: 'Glen Kramer'; STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > Glen,
> > > >
> > > > Is there a presentation that describes what this project aims to
> > > > achieve (e.g. do they want to encapsulate OFDM symbol data in
> > > > Ethernet frames ?) and why they think 1904 is the right standard
> > > > group to work on
> > > this project ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Hesham
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of Glen Kramer
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:16 AM
> > > > To: STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: FW: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > Dear Colleagues,
> > > >
> > > > I have received the following request for Radio-over-Ethernet
> > > > (RoE) project to be formed under 1904 WG. The draft PAR is attached.
> > > > We will vote on this PAR at the next meeting. Meanwhile, I
> > > > encourage everyone to review and discuss the draft PAR on the
> > > > reflector. Feel free to contact PAR authors with any questions, or
> > > > if you want your name to be added as a supporter.
> > > >
> > > > If approved, this PAR will become 1904.3 project.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Glen
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jouni Korhonen
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 12:00 AM
> > > > To: Glen Kramer
> > > > Cc: Zongying He; Jay (James) Teborek; duanran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > > cuichunfeng@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; liu.qiong@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > > > Patrice.Plante@xxxxxxxxxx; zhang.boshan@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > > > satoru.matsushima@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; tero.mustala@xxxxxxx;
> > > > huangjinri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Peter.AshwoodSmith@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > > > pre-review & discussion
> > > >
> > > > Dear chair of the IEEE 1904 ANWG,
> > > >
> > > > Please see the attached draft version of the PAR for Radio over
> > > > Ethernet
> > > > (RoE) standardization effort that we (the individuals in the CC
> > > > list) seek to pursue under the IEEE 1904 ANWG. We welcome a review
> > > > and comments from
> > > > 1904 members on the current draft version of the PAR. We intend to
> > > > present this PAR in the forthcoming 1904 meeting in Wuhan to drive
> > > > our cause, which means we also ask for a presentation slot in the
> > > > forthcoming
> > > 1904 meeting agenda.
> > > >
> > > > Should there be any additional backup material prior the meeting,
> > > > please let us know. If there are any other matters we should be
> > > > aware of
> > > just let us know.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > 	Jouni (on behalf of the PAR preparation team)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jouni Korhonen
> > > > CTO Office, Networking
> > > > Broadcom

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